I want to organize the concepts related to system theory within myself

• I often come across discussions based on systems theory in various places.

  • Like University of Tokyo 1S Law and Society, Wikipediaシステム論論考FB, 法とジェンダーと排除論考FB, 基礎情報学
    • (All of them trace back to Bajiro Seminar lol)
  • I feel both like I understand and don’t understand various concepts of systems theory each time.
  • Since it seems to be closely related to my interests, I want to study it properly and establish a solid foundation here.

• What I’m thinking

  • Maybe there are variations in the definition of systems theory, and different people have different ideas.
    • Could this be why it’s difficult to understand? (blu3mo)
    • For example, when I heard about System (Luhmann), I thought “I see,” but it doesn’t seem like the word “system” is always used with this definition.
  • I think there might be connections between genealogy and concepts related to systems, so I want to create a mental map of that.
    • After that, Want to Organize Concepts around Basic Informatics in My Mind
      • I think they are probably closely related (blu3mo)

• Current understanding and related concepts

  • Cybernetics, ネオサイバネティクス, オートポイエーシス, アロポイエーシス, System (Luhmann)

• First of all, Wikipedia

  • https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/システム論
  • The genealogy of systems theory is written there.
    • First generation: 動的平衡系 (kinetic equilibrium (IB Chemistry))
      • Oh, it’s about kinetic equilibrium (blu3mo)

      • Mechanical theory and vitalism, organic composition, dynamic equilibrium systems, homeostasis, General Systems Theory, cybernetics, multilevel relation theory, holon, structuralist biology, differential equations, etc. fall into this category. Most information processing systems widely used in society also belong to this generation.

        • Oh, so information processing systems can be included here too.
          • I didn’t think they could be precisely defined like that (blu3mo)
        • What is the difference between General Systems Theory and Cybernetics?
      • It seems to be a counterposition to reductionism.

      • However, in dynamic equilibrium systems, it is a problem that it cannot explain how wholeness arises.

        • What does “wholeness” mean? (blu3mo)
    • Second generation: Self-organization
      • I vaguely remember hearing about self-organization in the context of ALife.
      • I have a vague image that the macroscopic form emerges as a result of the micro workings.
        • However, I haven’t grasped how it is meaningful in the context of systems theory (blu3mo)

      • The great progress from dynamic equilibrium systems is that self-organization has successfully eliminated the wholeness that was given a priori. However, it is a problem that the region in which the system operates needs to be given a priori.

        • A priori = a priori?
          • Well, I think it’s okay to interpret it as “as a premise.”
        • If I can understand this, it seems like many things will connect (blu3mo)
    • Third generation: Autopoiesis
      • Here it is (blu3mo)
      • Autopoiesis
        • I have a vague image that it is something like self-reproduction like in living organisms.
          • However, I haven’t grasped how it is meaningful in the context of systems theory (blu3mo)

      • The great progress from self-organization is that a mechanism that autonomously produces a boundary that distinguishes the region in which the system operates from the environment has been proposed.

      • ネオサイバネティクス is a name that encompasses the third generation systems theory, right? (blu3mo)
        • 基礎情報学 is also considered part of it.- > Autopoiesis is a cutting-edge and still in its early stages of theoretical development in systems theory, and even researchers do not have a consensus on its basic concepts. Naturally, there is no existing framework theory equivalent to general systems theory. Therefore, users of autopoiesis need to reconsider the basic concepts and form theories for each application field by referring to various past discussions.
  • I see. (blu3mo)
  • Well, there’s no help for it. But I wonder how we should learn about it. (blu3mo)