Kineto's dialogue

pKineto#dialogue §

• I learned quite a lot from /blu3mo-private/未踏10/2報告FB.

• Discussion on the timeline:

  • When people from the past collide with those in the present timeline,
    • Whether to prioritize people from the future in the present timeline.
  • Want to explore experiences unique to the timeline,
    • Such as pulling something together,
    • Maybe having game-like elements would be beneficial?

• The key point is the back and forth between synchronous and pseudo-synchronous interactions.

  • It’s like navigating between synchronous and asynchronous.

• It would be nice to have a way for instructors to have an overview of the entire timeline.

• Doing spatial chat based on the timeline seems like a good idea.

• Proposal for a teaching session by oneself.

• Things to see:

  • Asking questions and then returning to see the answers.

• Core: Ultimately, synchronous dialogue is an illusion.

  • The essence lies in the “feeling of being synchronous.”
  • I also wrote about this in Sense of Time Sharing.
  • Therefore, it’s important to create an experience that gives a sense of synchronization through UI and other means.
    • I was quite impressed by how Honk achieved this by sharing even while typing (blu3mo).
    • The same effect can be seen with sharing handwritten text (perhaps this is the reason for handwritten notes).
      • Or maybe I just want to copy Honk.

• Drinami: Depending on whether you want to share emotions or information, the interface will vary.

  • (blu3mo) Currently, the focus seems to be on sharing information.
  • So, should it be made more useful for sharing information?
    • With pseudo-synchronization, since it’s not perfect synchronization, focusing on more ambiguous emotions might be better.
  • Emotions could also be effective.

• It might be nice to have a feature where pressing a button allows you to jump to a different dimension to have synchronous discussions there.

• Or rather, detailed discussions might be better off using a different channel (like Scrapbox or Zoom) instead of forcing it through Kineto.

  • The value lies in what is attached to the video, emphasizing communication in the moment (conveying emotions and light information).
  • In that case, a pathway to a different channel more suitable for complex discussions would be desired.
  • For example: https://twitter.com/ochyai/status/1347864732212944896

• The issue of the front group not being able to see anything might be resolved by ensuring that what is written remains visible for a longer time.

  • What is written by people behind is like a time capsule from TENET reaching the future.
  • What is written by people from the future will reach those behind after a while.
  • (This phenomenon might not have been noticed without user testing).
  • (This discussion seems quite interesting in terms of the theme of “time” and could be a good topic for a presentation).

• Yatsugoume Conference

  • It would be nice for instructors to be able to review later.

• Kineto_Takamatsu-sensei MTG

  • It would be nice for instructors to be able to review later.
  • I feel like I was starting to forget the fundamental aspects of what makes synchronous and asynchronous teaching valuable, so it was good to be able to reaffirm that.
  • This is even before considering pseudo-synchronization.

• There were many valuable discussions around this.

• Platforms like Line and Scrapbox conversations typically mix asynchronous and synchronous interactions, whereas here, it’s a blend of pseudo-synchronous and synchronous interactions.

  • It’s important to understand the essence of pseudo-synchronization.
  • This distinguishes it from video lessons with Docs.
  • It’s also crucial to understand where the assumption that pseudo-synchronization is better than asynchronous interactions comes into play.
    • There is a lot of joy in connections that aren’t immediately apparent.

• In a way, isn’t the ultimate form of asynchrony a book?

  • It may not necessarily be the ultimate form; just one example.

• As an interesting concept, diving into a sea of pseudo-synchronization entirely:

  • Not only students but teachers as well in the pseudo-synchronized sea
  • Furthermore, enabling educational materials to move along the timeline
  • The inspiration comes from the Actor Network Theory

• Handwriting:

  • https://mm.hyuki.net/n/n34c00bdebb44?magazine_key=m73f865053b52

  • One way to address this is not just exchanging “information” through dialogue but also exchanging “meta-information” such as one’s feelings and understanding state.

  • Compared to chatting, Handwriting contains more meta-information
  • Also, having the consciousness of writing on videos seems to make it easier to understand the concept of kineto
    • Rather than associating with text, it’s more about adding annotations to videos and being aware of editing
  • Additionally, it has a high resolution in the time dimension

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• The following was written before 10/2

• The medium is Kineto Video Notes:

  • Why?
  • If it’s not notes, it’s hard to create a purpose like “commenting” on NicoNico
  • It aligns with the existing concept of taking notes

• There are dialogues among students driven by the teacher’s intention and dialogues that occur unintentionally

  • The latter includes casual conversations with neighbors during traditional classes

• Difference between communication in chats, Google Docs, etc.:

  • It doesn’t remain on the screen forever
    • However, unlike video conversations, it’s possible to go back and review it
    • So what?

• An experience where synchronous and pseudo-synchronous elements mix:

  • Communication based on the assumption that replies may not come back
    • Is there value in just writing something?

• Why do this in the first place?

  • Wanting to have dialogues even in an environment where classes are taken asynchronously
  • The necessity of notes isn’t that high
    • Wouldn’t a NicoNico-style chat be better?
    • Are you still carrying over what you originally wanted to do?

• Reasons why this isn’t NicoNico:

  • While NicoNico aims for a sense of unity, kineto focuses on dialogue/thought sharing (weak, right?)
  • It also allows synchronous dialogues (technically possible on NicoNico too)
  • Well, you should really have confidence in speed control
  • Also, pen annotations hold value
  • Addition: The greatest value lies in messages not just flowing but remaining in the space (being able to be preserved)

• Issue of few people having pens:

  • Around 20% in schools
    • I think this is still an exceptional case
  • Gestures (markup) and key input could possibly replicate a similar experience
    • (Regarding inter-class dialogues)
    • Wait, is there a difference between inter-class dialogues and notes?
  • The pen brings joy:
    • Sensing the presence of others (important in communication)
    • Riding on the traditional media of “notes”
    • Engaging in inward information sharing through dialogue
  • If the pen is not essential, then it’s not a problem (lacking confidence in this)

• Regarding online classes, it can be seen as a solution to the problem of the lack of inter-student dialogues online #kineto